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Market to Market In 2020

Feb 11, 2020  | Ep290 | Podcast

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We're campaigning for your support of the MtoM podcast, the program and all our offerings. This week, Executive Producer David Miller talks about plans for the new year and story areas we'll be focusing on in 2020. This also includes a new option to consume our work. Click here to listen to David and Paul Yeager talk about the plan for the program and a diversion into a history lesson about the program. 

 

FULL Transcript:  Paul Yeager: Do you ever suspect or wonder why I'm bringing you here?

David Miller: Oh, anymore. I don't even wonder I just show up and you ask your questions. And so what what?

Paul Yeager  
That's David Miller, executive producer of the TV show we call Market to Market say Hi, David. Hi, David. My name is Paul Yeager and this is the M to M podcast to production of Iowa PBS and the Market to Market TV show. We're glad you're here in 2020. Does 2020 have any significance for you?

David Miller  
As far as Market to Market or just me personally? 

Paul Yeager  
In general, I just Oh, it's a nice round number.

David Miller  
Oh, it is a nice round number. But this in March of this year marks 36 years at Iowa Public Television and some form in some form and 25 years working directly For Market to Market, either as the executive producer or as someone who went into the field and wrote stories.

Paul Yeager  
What do you remember? About 25 years ago on this show?

David Miller  
Well, as far as production went, when we went black on Fridays, we took our notes, and we had a folder where we stored them for each show, put them in that folder, and that went up on a shelf, and we went home. That was the end of the day.

Paul Yeager  
And what when you say notes, what kind of notes Did you...

David Miller  
Um, we'd have handwritten notes that we made because you make phone calls and talk to people, we'd have the old tractor paper with the, you know, the perfect sides, this will date me, but we would, yeah, we pull those off the wire because we didn't have teletype machines anymore at that point, and we pull those off our wire machine. And we'd look at those, we pass them all out. At one point we'd be progressed enough that we were using computers, but we were still printing hard copy, you'd see something in AP, and you probably In that, and then we'd sit in our meeting and take like a pile from the week and pass it out among the five producers at the table and said sprecher would say, All right, everybody take a look. And then we'd look and then it would be a was this a, this would be Wednesday, okay. And then Thursday we would write and get everything set for the show. And then Friday, barring anything that had changed between Thursday and Friday, we cut together the various pieces and finish them off just about the time we went to the show. So we'd probably record between four and 4:30 on a regular basis back in those days, and we would finish and see we would be we were no longer taking the show to the Greyhound bus station to be sent to Lincoln, Nebraska, for uplinking at that point we were microwaving out to cross the river to them. And then at one point I think they were actually taking our OFF-AIR signal and up linking that but over time, we progressed to the point where now we are in charge of the uplink and distribution of the program from Iowa PBS studios in Johnston, Iowa.

Paul Yeager  
So when it went to the Greyhound bus station What time was the bus? So my gosh, do I mean I know you think

David Miller  
I gotta think about it, I think it was, it was like a five o'clock bus that was in Lincoln by seven allowing for an uplink at eight o'clock, that kind of thing. I was trying to remember when we had to be down there because there was there was a time where they I actually took the the show tape down to the bus station. I was a camera operator, and they're like this has to be downtown between 430 and five. So you know you take it. We will Much closer to the bus station than we are now. We're probably 10 miles from where that was in the day. We were like two miles away. It was like hop in the car you're there and a 10 minutes and away it would go. So

Paul Yeager  
because I even remember shipping tapes from Mason City to the airport, to get on a plane sure the apalis to go for uplink then and that was the late 90s.

David Miller  
Oh, yeah. We'd figured out at least our deal with Nebraska educational television with NET. And they were more than willing to help us out and uploading to show to all member stations. And in those days I think we were on in 20, 20, still 20 plus states, like we are now we're on in 20 plus, so.

Paul Yeager  
So if there's bad weather, the bus was late to Lincoln. They didn't go up.

David Miller  
They waited but I don't know

Paul Yeager  
way. Maybe Half an hour. Yeah, but

David Miller  
I don't recall. I don't recall any time that it didn't uplink as long as long and and granted you got to

Paul Yeager  
understand we've had two bad uplink since you and I have been together on this show.

David Miller  
Well, the rain fade was not our friend. And I think that it was it was so much that not that we missed the feed. But I'd like to say on the other end, Nebraska would have been subject to the same kind of raid and fade things like that. So you just repeat it. And a lot of the bulk of our stations see the show Friday night, Saturday morning, but there are others that are Sunday during the day, and some even into Monday morning. Because the information is still good as far as the markets go. And, you know, we've already instituted Monday night, Monday night rewind on the web, so you can go back and kind of look and see, you know, did that whatever trend happened on Monday or is that trends still happening and you can take advantage of that if you're somebody that's doing investing

Paul Yeager  
So, I'm sorry I've started I've started three questions that the word so I'll stop that. I'll take that out and post. All right. You put the tape on a bus? Yes. Let's go somewhere. Yes, you at you couldn't make mistakes then

David Miller  
there was some editing you could do. You didn't want to make mistakes that were

Paul Yeager  
rolled prior to four to make it on. I suppose no fixes at 430 out the door to get to the bus station by 445.

David Miller  
Yeah, my memory was so

Paul Yeager  
you could have maybe 345 330

David Miller  
Yeah, could be. I just remember we

we were out the door. As a camera operator. I was usually out the door by 530. And I don't recall anybody really having any difficulty that years and years and years ago, somebody erased the insert real accidentally and then had to rebuild that. But that was in the 70s. That was before I started here, they didn't rarely have ever usually what would happen is you make a mistake, they just stop and start the whole thing over again. They wouldn't try to pick up and do an Edit and then later years with videotape, we would stop and pick up the Edit because we knew where we were as far as the 26 minutes. Well, in those days, it was 28 minutes and 46 seconds that was considered market the market. Now it's 26:46. That's the PBS speck. And and with the advent of the web, we started doing that extra 10 or 11 minutes of Market Plus about 2006.

Paul Yeager  
And that was audio only

David Miller  
audio only that was for Real audio. If anybody Real audio real audio. Yeah,

with with as I remember it, their demo of this was Real audio was a guy with a strong jersey accent. And we use that for several years until we see started doing WAV files essentially. And we used iTunes as one of our distribution points along with being able to because they were audio files, we could actually host those here. Our servers were big enough we could host that here. So now with everything else, you know, it's like we're, it's hosted in other places for us. And so we don't have to worry about having the bandwidth have people coming to us which I think that was only a problem once, where people overloaded the system trying to get in but to listen to the audio podcast, but

Paul Yeager  
it must have been the week Bob Schblotsky was on, Bob Schbotsky Yes, yes on so good to see I did it again. I found I found out my crutch words.

Unknown Speaker  
Use it I'm gonna promise to use it over and over again.

Paul Yeager  
Not much has changed or has it between then Now as we sit here tonight in 2020 Oh, you say you look oh oh my goodness and walk away right so nothing gets done the show doesn't happen oh my goodness is it blow your mind how much different that timeframe to this time frame is on the matter? Yes. Where the show goes where it used to line up pretty easy it's got to be on the tape to the bus to the wherever or it's got to be to the the uplink guy. He has to be you have to be done by seven

David Miller  
that was and that was still a delicate dance Have you got to be done by this so you can do this. So you can do this. In those days. We actually had uplink capability. There was a reason why we didn't do that we once we've made our deal with the telephone arm at any t with their uplink facility that we were just just basically tickled pink. I don't know anyway, Describe it, we were ready to rock and roll I'm at. But now, there's a lot that you have to do. And it used to be, oh, it's on TV. It's there. It's fleeting, it's gone. Now it's Yeah, you might see it on broadcast television, but like newspapers that you can hold in your hand and go back and reread paragraphs. On the web, it's almost the same thing. You can go and read the transcript of exactly what we said you can watch our pieces over and over, you can go back and and continue to repeat certain sections of video if that's something you want to watch or listen to. It's totally different than when I started. It was much more cut off I think in a way that if you missed our show at eight o'clock and you didn't have a VCR, you had one other shot if you lived in Iowa, and that was 12 o'clock we used to be on at noon on Sundays and we've since over the years moved to 1230 but you had a shot that was it and then you were out of luck if you went to the coffee shop on Monday morning and said so what they talked about last night and there were we heard stories that at church there were lines not unlike the the short line that you'd have like who's watching the game today? Okay, go out this line. If you don't if you're not going to the game or watching the game tonight or this afternoon is come by and shake hands, talk to the pastor. There were lines of okay people need to go and be at home by 1230 to one or 12 o'clock to watch Market to Market so I had the market the market line to get out of out of church

Paul Yeager  
so the parishioners were tapping we're looking at their watches. I don't know that I go and what take your purse after we commune we're going to walk out. That must be wild. People leave church at that time I can catch I don't know this show though. So I don't know. So so the show now has a life we try to roll somewhere between 315 and 330. Yes, we roll till about 345 350 take about a three minute break to regroup on what questions for Market Plus we record Market Plus, yes, that gets then exported to it's already recorded onto a tape or a disc. Then we're oriented to a computer and we take it out of that computer, export it for the web, and then the show and the plus and then we have to post things on the web. And

David Miller  
yeah, there's a little more to do transcription files have to be made so that their captions on everything and while we have it down to a science, sometimes people don't get out of here until 630 or seven o'clock at night depending on what's happening. On a good day on a good day. We've got this down to a science where we can be out of here by 545. We can beat

Paul Yeager  
the old time we can beat the old timers out

David Miller  
the door, but and and are the the production crew is already had a chance to go if everything's running like it's supposed to. And there are moments when it does not. But we have an uplink window now of 7pm. And it goes to the world I don't think anybody not to my knowledge nobody runs it at seven o'clock usually the earliest Not

Paul Yeager  
anymore. Somebody just used to write believe some episode somewhere in Minnesota yes

David Miller  
ended and then the earliest that it runs anywhere in the United States on broadcast is 8pm. But you can find us on the web, digital first digital first. We in the year 2020. I had no, again, this is a force of habit, I just

Paul Yeager  
start asking a question and you just don't know what's really I have no

David Miller  
idea what's gonna happen you

Paul Yeager  
kind of you think we're just gonna talk about what we're going to do in 2020. And here we spent a whole bunch of time talking about the past, but I thought people might enjoy some of that and just to say how far we've come.

David Miller  
It's, it's it. I would say that back then it was pretty exciting. And I would say that that has not changed. It's still exciting to be here. Well, to put this together, get the information gathered, get it out, so that people can take a look or listen or read whatever it is that they however it is they consume our show. It's still very exciting to be part of that.

Paul Yeager  
Alright, in 30 seconds, what are we going to do in 2020 for stories? Well, thank you. Thanks day. That's great. story about wells. Well,

David Miller  
we might go down too far. You

Paul Yeager  
know, the whole reason was okay. In 2020. Yes, we're going to do a couple of things different. The main part of the show is going to stay the same. Yes. We've had constant, I'd say the week before, during and after. And then other times here, when we have a roundtable of golly, we should do that more. I wish you would do that more often. Yes. We listen and we hear you.

David Miller  
We do and we

Paul Yeager  
are we have talked about it. I I'm going to say my opinion. Yes. Yes. Okay. I think there are Very special and two times a year makes you appreciate them when they come. I agree. But we know that two analyst discussion or four analysts discussion sometimes offers for a different exchange of ideas than what we give you. 50 weeks a year.

David Miller  
Yeah, different dynamic 52 week

Paul Yeager  
50 to 50. Because to I count of the roundtables Oh, right. Sure. 50 weeks a year. Yeah. But that's going to change

David Miller  
Well, when, when

Walter was still with us.

We would have two analysts because Walter spoke specifically about me. And in the past, we would have two analysts where one would concentrate on one, but the plan now is to have some to analysts shows where We take a close look at what's going on. And this, this is going to be something where we're going to take a look at when certain reports are coming out. And this is the emphasis of that. And then there'll be some others where if we're seeing a trend somewhere, we're gonna we're gonna have a two person show where there's some news up front, but the main concentration of the program is going to be what are the market trends? What are those two analysts seeing? And and how does that affect your decisions to use the futures market to your advantage? I disagree,

Paul Yeager  
or I disagree. Why do you disagree? And that's what they're that's what we're hoping that they do in the sense that you know, that two things to think

David Miller  
yes,

Paul Yeager  
yes, I think and it's not that for a ratings thing, or no, it is about the exchange of ideas and two different ways to look at Something I think that's because at any given time and understanding these markets because one analyst will call him Tom Pftizenmaier, who's gonna who was on the show this week. Yes, he might see coronavirus this way. John Roach the week after might see the coronavirus this way. Yeah. And and it's all important information that we think will help you make your futures or cash decisions, I

David Miller  
guess. And that's the whole point in in doing that. We know that people have asked us over and over and it's not like we've been ignoring you we did. We we did think that twice a year was potentially enough to kind of feed the the ideas and and feed the marketplace, but we've looked back and as a team, we've talked about this and it's like, Well, why don't we do this? Let's see where we go.

Paul Yeager  
So so we will have a couple of double analysts show Watch the social media feeds to see when those are coming up and you can participate in those things. Yes, story wise, we cannot predict the news. Do know if you go back to our year in review episodes, we talked about the weather. We know flooding is going to be a thing. John Torpy is going to be looking at how weather plays out here in 2020. Yes, that's one thing we know story Why? Yes, we have other I. We have other deep dive ideas that were we have other ideas we're going to deep dive into throughout the year. Is that fair to say?

David Miller  
I'd say that's fair.

Paul Yeager  
And some of them will be ones that you were like, Oh, I didn't think that that was an issue relevant, but it is once I've seen it. Yeah. To once you're like, oh, gosh, why haven't you guys been covering that?

David Miller  
Yeah. Why haven't you been following that?

Paul Yeager  
Yes, any of those that you want to expound upon expound expand, expand expand.

David Miller  
Yes, I would like to sound

Paul Yeager  
I want you to expound on it. Yeah.

David Miller  
We're taking a look at rural food security. And we're going to spend some time taking a closer look at that. John Torpy that'll be Peter Tubbs. John Torpy's taking a much closer look at flooding where you know you have to pick a representative sample and a lot of that is happening along the Missouri River for both Nebraska and Iowa communities. But part of this is looking at what's going on upstream of there. What decisions are being made up there that may or may not affect how the river performs. His snowpack is always a big one. A few years ago, it was like there was nothing no snowpack, nothing. It's going to be dry for three years and then all of a sudden it's like record snowpack record snowpack, and we're flooding and they're people that have been able to get into homes for five months, because they're still isolated by the river. I mean, you can take a boat across there, but there isn't much left. In some cases, basements are flooded. I don't know about anything collapsing or floating away. But we've heard about a guy who still has high ground and takes his canoe or his boat, and he rose out to his house. And it's still fine, and he's doing his thing.

Unknown Speaker  
So we're going to take a closer look into that. If you have any ideas for stories, send us an email MarkettoMarket@IowaPBS.ORG

David Miller  
continue. Yeah. And then there's still things like what's the fallout from phase one? Are we going to get buyers or Will this be that trend where we see more farm bankruptcies? We've already had a report from the farm bureau that shows that bankruptcies are up. And they're they're quite high and the Farmers Union is saying that incomes are approaching what they were during the farm crisis. Things are getting tough for everybody out there. And we need to take a closer look at that and see what's being done. See what the trend is out there.

Paul Yeager  
You will see Those stories and market analysis this week on Market to Market. That about right that's about right. All right. We'll have other topics will have will continue to have on this podcast, commentary and discussion from the producers as they go out into the field and we may do more of that video thing I know we're going to shoot yes, one more here soon with video. I'm kind of thinking that might be a monthly thing. I think that that would be awesome. I don't think you need to see me for more than once a month or on the show every six months. Yeah. Hear me that all you want. But that's something that we will do. So, we will have that. In fact, before you leave, I need your help moving a couple things. Oh,

David Miller  
that's right side of the room needs to bow that

Paul Yeager  
side of the room that goes there. on the shelf. Yeah. So you're going to see a little different layout of this room. When we record this podcast, which will be about I don't know if I should say it or not. It'll just have to watch. You just have to keep your eyes on if you put that on the YouTube feed.

David Miller  
Go back. Go back couple of

feeds. Go back a couple of podcasts. And you will find our video podcast

Paul Yeager  
discussion with Colleen about trucker shortage, which happens to be the story we're airing. Tomorrow. You're hearing this on a Tuesday. We recorded this on a Thursday before the show on Friday, which we're uploading from Johnston no longer in Nebraska. Go back 30 minutes to hear us talk about Nebraska. Yes. That cover it does Gotta go work. I'm gonna go sit and look at things on the internet. And we are so glad that you are important things funny born as a true Oh, important thing true? Yes, we will have the markets and market analysts stable is growing. Yes, we have some new faces that you'll see maybe more or less again, feedback we and I know Dave and I begged for feedback a couple of weeks ago when we were talking. We do want to hear from you about what you like about this show. What you think is important that we do, whether it's this podcast, or one of the other two, if it's the video stories on YouTube, we know you're watching on YouTube. Yes, I see the numbers. So more and more people are watching it, you can still go to our website at market to market.org and get all that information. Yes. And we're there on Twitter and Facebook. We're not going to be on Snapchat in 2020. I don't think so fair. Yeah, that's fair. I'm not going to make eye contact. So you don't have to I didn't record this question and I'm sorry to Laney and you just never know what's going to pop it up but chances are we'll talk about it on this podcast because we want people to hear about the behind the scenes happenings of the Market to Market TV show. That's why it's called the MtoM.

Thank you, David Miller. Thank you, Paul Yeager, that will do it for this edition of the MtoM podcast. I'm Paul Yeager again, feedback hit us up MarkettoMarket@Iowapbs.org. And you never know if you respond. We might just send you something for your troubles. We might. That was a tease, never heard. We'll see you again next time.  Bye bye.

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